intp luda and entp yeonjung: a mini thesis

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i don't consider myself an expert in mbti or anything, but this is a topic i'm highly interested in and i know enough to see that there's some serious introverted thinking + extroverted intuition mess going on in the minds of these two. so, here's me trying to explain why!

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lee luda 🐹

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dob: 06/02/1997
zodiac sign: aquarius
type she got on 16p: isfj (girl what the hell…)
type i think she is: intp

intp functions:
Ti > Ne > Si > Fe
+ dominant Ti: introverted thinking
+ auxiliary Ne: extroverted intuition
+ tertiary Si: introverted sensing
+ inferior Fe: extroverted feeling

it's not hard to come to the conclusion that lee luda is, undoubtedly, a rational person. i think that's one of the first things you come to learn about her when you get into wjsn, because while she might have the cutest face in the world, her tongue and the way her brain works on the other hand are... interesting, to say the least. she has a no bullshit attitude and is always very honest about what she thinks. now, let's take a look on why i think she's an intp:

→ tutor luda
i really like luda's tutor segment and i want to start with this one because you can see her using all of her functions here. right from the start you can see the members talking about how she helps them solve their problems and is super smart, then as soon as she learns what she has to teach she starts preparing herself for it. she's a bit taken aback when she finds out she's going to teach math because according to her it's her "enemy", but she still had to get good at it because since she wanted to major in science when she was in high school.

mc: she's looking for a textbook at a bookstore?
eunseo: yes!
mc: amazing.
eunseo: we're preparing for our next comeback at the moment, but she's more focused on studying.

she looks so happy and excited when she got a question right T_T my baby... even though wjsn are preparing for a comeback she was more focused on going through textbooks/online courses to make sure she was prepared to teach someone, and here's where i want to start analyzing her mbti. one thing about intps is that they would rather DIE than to be perceived as incompetent at something that has to do with their intellect, so she puts her all into studying, goes through multiple sources (the textbooks and the online courses) and writes everything down so she can understand it better. there's our Ti-Ne-Si.

the Fe (along with a bit of Si) kicks in when she starts talking to the girls she's tutoring. intps are not as empathetic as other Fe users (enfjs, esfjs, infjs, isfjs) because it's an inferior function rather than one they like to/tend to use all the time, but it's still there. she sees the scribbles in one of the students' textbooks and she asks if she's going through a hardship at the moment. then, after the girl explains what's going on, luda talks about how she went through the same thing and offers her a solution to the problem. i really recommend watching at least this part, you can see how comforting people isn't luda's strongest suit but since she knows this is someone who looks up to her + she went through the same thing in the past she still tries, even if in a more rational/direct way, and that's pure inf Fe.

→ sharp tongue
intps are known for being blunt beings. they usually see their inf Fe as their biggest weakness and tend to ignore it, which makes them come out as "too harsh" or "too honest" but tbh if you're not someone they especially care about, they don't give a fuck if you think they're being mean or not LMAO. not that they're actively trying to come out as mean or anything, they're just incredibly rational and like to work with facts rather than sugarcoating things, which other people might not take lightly. some iconic lee luda Ti dom moments:

• you're going to die anyway, make it quick
• if you wear that for the first date you won't have a second one
• (marriage) is a crazy thing to do
• if you're sad that you're all alone on valentine's day, remember that you're also all alone every other day
• i think you've watched too many movies
• what a weakling you are
• luda was super confused and thought seola was raising a pig
• "i miss my ex boyfriend so much, i want to call him, what should i do? ㅠㅠ" luda: things like these are not worries! there are so much more hardships in life!

other intps in kpop:

• gowon
• lee know
• wonwoo
• yeosang

other Ti doms in kpop (istps):

• ryujin
• winter
• taehyun

i honestly don't get how she got a isfj result in 16p. that website needs to be taken away from kpop idols asap because it's not a good source at all. the amount of stupid results i've seen from this website are just... yeah. now, let's move on to the love of my life!

yoo yeonjung 🐻

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dob: 03/08/1999
zodiac sign: leo
type she got on 16p: estp/istp
type i think she is: entp

entp functions:
Ne > Ti > Fe > Si
+ dominant Ne: extroverted intuition
+ auxiliary Ti: introverted thinking
+ tertiary Fe: extroverted feeling
+ inferior Si: introverted sensing

everyone get ouf of my way because now it's my time to shine! anyway, i personally think yeonjung's 16p results are not as atrocious as luda's. estps and istps both have high Ti, and for that reason i did consider estp as a possible mbti for yeonjung for a while. but as i started to analyze her personality through focused mbti lenses, i quickly started to notice some pretty obvious Ne-Ti patterns. here's some of them:

→ insane amount of brainpower
one thing about this girl is that if she wants something, she is going to get it. she wants to learn something? she will. she wants to become good at something? she will. she wants to become BETTER than she already was? you better believe she will. i watched some videos on entps before making this post, and two things in particular stood out to me when i was watching this one: "the first thing to know about an entp is that we're probably already bored." + "have you ever watched the marvel movie avengers? he (iron man) basically learned thermogenics overnight. yeah, we kind of do that." this immediately reminded me of how yeonjung dropped out of her japanese class because she was bored and decided to learn it by herself. and she succeeded, because she's good like that (see here and here).

she’s a former sm trainee, but not a lot of people know that she got accepted for her dancing skills rather than her vocals. "while she was a fantastic dancer, she felt that her singing skills lacked compared to other vocalists at the label, so she spent her time focusing on improving her singing abilities" and now she sings Like That... are we kidding. this girl scares the shit out of me but in a good way. i'd also like to point out that yeonjung got accepted into university before she graduated high school and without taking a an university entrance test + "why did you choose musical theater to study in university?" "i want to perform in a musical in the future, so i chose that major to prepare first" and now she's in lizzie and getting a lot of praise even though it's her first musical (bonus).

entps are known as the visionaries of the mbti. they can get bored easily, sure, but they know exactly what needs to get done in order to get their desired outcome, and i think it's pretty obvious that yeonjung is like that too. i recommend reading this thread for more insane Ne-Ti yeonjungisms.

→ devil's advocate
one of the first things i learned about entps is that they LOVE to argue. they have a good amount of knowledge on a variety of topics, which makes it easier for them to prove their point. but if they don't they will bullshit their way into a convincing argument anyway. in the show i linked, it's said that yeonjung, dayoung and soobin (who i think is also a Ne dom! but an enfp instead) are the members who will argue until the end, and that makes perfect sense to me. you can see how excited yeonjung gets when she finds a way to make the other two "freeze" after she presents a new argument and she manages to keep it up until the end. my favorite part is: dayoung: "nowadays, people add meat to their cold noodles" yeonjung: "if you look at it the other way, people are adding cold noodles to their meat nowadays" like can you even argue with that logic... she's right! soobin and dayoung are constantly like "girl help we can't let her eat us up like this!!!!" it's really funny and impressive. (here's part two of the video)

→ scatterbrained
Ne doms suffer from serious can't shut up disease and forgetfulness (inf Si). it can get hard for other people to keep track of what they're saying because their brains come up with a million ideas and fly into different directions every three seconds. they, quite literally, just be saying anything. they can't help it. let's take a look at some of the examples of these two traits that i've gathered:

• the way she does it a MILLION times and still forgets
• my girl just be saying anything and then forgets
• she talks over dayoung and remembers 100 different stories here LOL
• "yeonjung's not only not answering my calls, but also the other members' and the company's calls. she's not answering any calls, even her parents' calls. she says no, i'll just call it back later~ but she never calls back" (she's so real)
• both i.o.i and wjsn have talked about how she simply doesn't hear when they call her (inf Si)
• people with inferior Si be like
• soobin has to go to yeonjung's bed to check if she's still alive
• fast brain also makes them have really good/snarky comebacks at the tip of their tongues and say a lot of witty remarks (turn on eng subs!)

other entps in kpop:

• siyeon
• yeonjun
• jay

other Ne doms in kpop (enfps):

• sana
• lia
• shuhua
• ningning

the day people stop seeing yeonjung as just "uwu sunshine maknae" and "wow vocals" is the day i'll know peace. as you can see from what i've gathered here she's insanely smart and also one of the funniest/snarkiest members of the group, which doesn't get mentioned a lot. i wish people paid more attention to those sides of her personality as well.

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comparing the intp (luda) to the entp (yeonjung)

• i'd say yeonjung gets bored easier than luda (Ne > Ti + inferior Si). while introverted sensing isn't intp's biggest strength either, having it as a tertiary function rather than a inferior one still helps them to be more "orderly/focused" than entps. (here's an example)
• luda is better at "masking what she's thinking/feeling" with a forced laugh or by simply keeping her thoughts to herself. yeonjung, on the other hand, has a harder time keeping her "harsher" opinions to herself, and when she does it still shows on her face. i remember reading somewhere that one of the core differences between an entp and an intp is that the entp won't hesitate to say it as it is to your face, while intps tend to be more cautious even though they're probably thinking the same thing as the entp.
• they're both members you'd like to have on your team during variety show games. yeonjung is good at coming up with solutions for things on the spot, incredibly witty and good at convincing people to do what she wants or believe what she's saying (tertiary extroverted feeling over luda's inferior extroverted feeling). luda is good at guessing and seeing patterns that the others don't. (here's an example | luda: i got them all right. seola: i think the fact that luda got everything right is more scary.")
• "i'm envious and want to be like unnie as your thoughts are ideal and realistic. unnie who's a jjoggomi physically but not mentally, you're cool, so cool~" ♥

well, i hope this was a good read and that i managed to convince at least one person of their types. i'm always open to other views, though! trying to type kpop idols can be very exhausting, but that might be just me because analyzing people's behaviors + trying to explain my thoughts in a way that is understandable to others is NOT my passion! anyway, if you made it this far, thanks for reading :)